New Ford Mustang. 

"Svend" (svend) 01/21/2015 at 08:34 • Filed to: None

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New Ford Mustang U.K. configurator.

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Just looking at the configurator for the U.K. Mustang.

The automatic is GBP£1,500 (USD$2,266) more expensive than the manual regardless of 2.3EcoBoost or 5.0V8 of coupe or convertible. Now I know manuals are preferred over my side of the pond but how is the price reflected in the U.S. and canada?

Sam > Svend 01/21/2015 at 08:37

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The auto is $1,190 in the US.

Vimto > Svend 01/21/2015 at 08:38

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The difference here is <$1200 for both engines.

djmt1 > Svend 01/21/2015 at 08:41

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I always thought the Monaro should come back but I didn't think Ford would be responsible for the return of £30,000 V8s. I wonder how well it will do. Can it tempt people out of Nissan Z cars and how well it will do against the 2 series. Interesting times ahead.

Also while we'll talking about Ford. Diesel FoST, woo!

Svend > Vimto 01/21/2015 at 08:44

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So is the auto cheaper in the U.S. than the manual?

Svend > Sam 01/21/2015 at 08:45

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So the auto is $1,190 cheaper than the manual?

davedave1111 > Svend 01/21/2015 at 08:47

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Don't forget, we include all the taxes and so-on in that price, where the US doesn't. That accounts for a large chunk of any difference. At the very least, the figure quoted will include 20% VAT.

What I'm still waiting to see are the official EU fuel economy figures. I still have trouble believing they'll be high enough for Ford to sell many.

Svend > davedave1111 01/21/2015 at 08:53

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I know the price differences between the differing markets can vary wildly but an automatic Mustang in the U.K. is £1,500 more than the same car with a manual gearbox in the U.K. Manuals are the dominating unit in the E.U. but in the U.S. I think it's fair to say the automatic is the dominating unit so like for like for sale in the U.S. would an automatic be more expensive than a manual. I would think it would be the other way round but not exactly sure as to why as the cars would be built in the same factory and built to order.

Vimto > Svend 01/21/2015 at 08:54

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No, the manual is $1200 less than the automatic.

Svend > Vimto 01/21/2015 at 08:57

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Oh. Why is that then? The automatic is the dominating unit your side so why make it more expensive?

Hermann > Svend 01/21/2015 at 08:59

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£29k for the base EcoBoost. Same price for the base BMW 228i M Sport.

Meanwhile, in the US. The 228i M Sport costs $36k.

Vimto > Svend 01/21/2015 at 09:01

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Because with every other vehicle on the market here, the only purpose of having a manual is to stick one (no pun intended) on the base model to lower the advertised starting MSRP. The general buying public here assumes it's going to be cheaper if its a standard.

Svend > djmt1 01/21/2015 at 09:02

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Of the Ford's, I'm more inclined towards the 2.3EcoBoost Ford Focus. Nice.

davedave1111 > Svend 01/21/2015 at 09:02

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What I was saying is that the £1500 uptick includes 20% VAT, so it's actually 5/6 of that, or £1250, if you want to compare US and UK prices.

From what others have said, looks like we pay ~50% more than them for the auto option, even after that.

That makes some kind of sense given that, like you say, we'd expect Ford to sell fewer autos here. (I'll actually be surprised if they sell more than a handful, given that the people who'd buy the Mustang here will all be enthusiasts, but who knows.)

The auto box will cost at least some more in both markets because it's more expensive to build than a manual, at least in this case.

Sam > Svend 01/21/2015 at 09:08

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Nope, manual is factored in to the base price. Then you pay $1,190 to get the auto.

Sam > Hermann 01/21/2015 at 09:11

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Part of that really is the shipping and other import fees/taxes.

Hermann > Sam 01/21/2015 at 09:18

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Yeah. I know. But it's interesting to see that these two, who are very different in the US are very comparable on the other side of the Atlantic.

I remember Matt Farah saying the EcoBoost wasn't made for the US. It was focused on European markets because the emissions and EPA would give it some tax exemptions . And I think that's pretty much it. The V6 would probably cost just as much with less power and less torque. I have no idea about UK, but I believe Europe in general has some restrictions on NA cars for their emissions.

Svend > davedave1111 01/21/2015 at 09:20

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I'd just assume the U.S. and Canada would of been the other way round and the auto be cheaper in the U.S. but as someone has pointed out the manual in the U.S. is there to lower the starting price of the Mustang.

Svend > Sam 01/21/2015 at 09:22

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So Ford cashes in on the visual appeal of a lower starting price knowing that many will be paying more to get a car they can drive, ie the automatic.

davedave1111 > Svend 01/21/2015 at 09:54

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I think the starting point is that the auto box simply costs more than the manual to build.

Cé hé sin > Svend 01/21/2015 at 09:59

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Costs more to make. Ever seen the workings of an auto box in comparison to a manual? They have an entire ecosystem of elves doing the gearchanging thing and they don't come cheap..

Cé hé sin > djmt1 01/21/2015 at 10:01

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Diesel ST?

Diesel ST

Svend > Cé hé sin 01/21/2015 at 10:03

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I saw the panic in a friend's face when his BMW e46 coupe wouldn't go into reverse and was told it needed to come out. Hell I even nearly cried when he told me how much it'll cost just to look at it. Ouch.

Cé hé sin > Svend 01/21/2015 at 10:05

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Ah, the ZF five speed? They're a disaster. Reverse gear becomes toothless. The new part isn't terribly expensive, the labour putting it in is.

Cé hé sin > davedave1111 01/21/2015 at 10:12

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Ford are probably struggling to get the CO2 low enough. Their aim was apparently to get the 2.3 below 220.

Looking at the road tax rates in Ireland, I see that we would pay €2,350 a year for the privilege of owning a car with more than 225 g/km but only €1,200 for 191 to 225. If they try and sell it here with 225+ they won't have a hope.

Svend > Cé hé sin 01/21/2015 at 10:14

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Ye', I recall him saying that it would cost ex amount to just look at as certain parts need to be changed as they wouldn't simply put back together and work. I washed it on a sunday, put it up for sale and it was sold on the monday, on tuesday it was loaded onto a flat bed and sent to Poland.

davedave1111 > Cé hé sin 01/21/2015 at 10:19

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Makes sense. It's not quite that bad here. Your road tax is ridiculous.

Band CO2 Tax

J 186-200 £255.00

K* 201-225 £275.00

L 226-255 £475.00

Cé hé sin > davedave1111 01/21/2015 at 10:40

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The answer, surprisingly, is that the 2.3 is from 179 g/km. The V8 isn't specified.